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Publish Date: Feb 22, 2012
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People support decreasing for IPC Mlabar Region.
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originalachayan (March 8, 2012)
As Mathews , I have no other choice when you are becoming one such.
As Mathews , I have no other choice when you are becoming one such.
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a. s. mathew (March 6, 2012)
ACHAYANORIGINAL: I need not have to tell you about my education.
I don't belong to your standard of calling other people fools.
ACHAYANORIGINAL: I need not have to tell you about my education.
I don't belong to your standard of calling other people fools.
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achayanoriginal (March 5, 2012)
as mathew, you are making a fool of yourselves by coughing up nonsense. i thought you have had some biblical understanding and knowledge of this world. the less you speak nonsense, people around here will think you are wise.
who said the disciples did not have money. ? are you so serious of that disciple didnot take the body of jesus to bury because they did not have money. i would not think any common sense fellow will infer such a way. rather most of the disciple were very timid and they all were hiding since and following the arrest of jesus. it was not money matter rather fearfulness. even if they were poor for the sake of argument , they would have given decent burial to jesus' body in the common burial ground rather than a private one if they so desired and not afraid of the society.
another thing you have not answered me to a direct question which makes me wonder who you are a phoney!
as mathew, you are making a fool of yourselves by coughing up nonsense. i thought you have had some biblical understanding and knowledge of this world. the less you speak nonsense, people around here will think you are wise.
who said the disciples did not have money. ? are you so serious of that disciple didnot take the body of jesus to bury because they did not have money. i would not think any common sense fellow will infer such a way. rather most of the disciple were very timid and they all were hiding since and following the arrest of jesus. it was not money matter rather fearfulness. even if they were poor for the sake of argument , they would have given decent burial to jesus' body in the common burial ground rather than a private one if they so desired and not afraid of the society.
another thing you have not answered me to a direct question which makes me wonder who you are a phoney!
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a. s. mathew (February 29, 2012)
achayanoriginal: if you think that the disciples were rich, why none
of them donated a piece of property to bury jesus christ? do you think that they were hiding their wealth somewhere? jesus had
nothing of this world, and the disciples took a lifestyle of
self-denial and followed their master by faith. the same
nicodemus, who went to meet jesus at night (john 3) was the person provided
the final funeral service for the master. please don't misunderstand
me, i am not telling that god's children must be poor and
broken financially in the world. they must be rich in everything.
every person and family who were generous in giving for the lord's
work and shared their wealth with the poor, have all been blessed
later on in this world.
the ultra influence of the u.s. made "prosperity gospel" has seriously penetrated in india. i am simply pointing out that side
of the story, that is all.
achayanoriginal: if you think that the disciples were rich, why none
of them donated a piece of property to bury jesus christ? do you think that they were hiding their wealth somewhere? jesus had
nothing of this world, and the disciples took a lifestyle of
self-denial and followed their master by faith. the same
nicodemus, who went to meet jesus at night (john 3) was the person provided
the final funeral service for the master. please don't misunderstand
me, i am not telling that god's children must be poor and
broken financially in the world. they must be rich in everything.
every person and family who were generous in giving for the lord's
work and shared their wealth with the poor, have all been blessed
later on in this world.
the ultra influence of the u.s. made "prosperity gospel" has seriously penetrated in india. i am simply pointing out that side
of the story, that is all.
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a. s. mathew (February 29, 2012)
achayanoriginal: god expects us to be generous givers. if we lack
in giving, then we will be missed out of our blessings. we must help
every ministry of god's servants, if they are spreading the gospel
or building the body of christ. if we are donating money for
building real estate empire, that is very hard to understand.
probably, according to some historians, paul was a rich person. but
he led a life of faith after meeting jesus christ. when the disciples
left everything-their homes and business, do you think they were
rich with material things?
we must investigate before investing money in the lord's business,
that is all what i have said. when i made many trips to the interior
parts of india, i could meet some real servants or god. such ministers need all
the support from the believers. but, i found many business in god's name. god will bless a cheerful giver and we must give generou
achayanoriginal: god expects us to be generous givers. if we lack
in giving, then we will be missed out of our blessings. we must help
every ministry of god's servants, if they are spreading the gospel
or building the body of christ. if we are donating money for
building real estate empire, that is very hard to understand.
probably, according to some historians, paul was a rich person. but
he led a life of faith after meeting jesus christ. when the disciples
left everything-their homes and business, do you think they were
rich with material things?
we must investigate before investing money in the lord's business,
that is all what i have said. when i made many trips to the interior
parts of india, i could meet some real servants or god. such ministers need all
the support from the believers. but, i found many business in god's name. god will bless a cheerful giver and we must give generou
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achayanoriginal (February 29, 2012)
As Mathew , I did not understand that before the teachers in NT time were very poor. Thanks for enlightening the rest of the world about that.
Another question: Did you ever give anything to any of these leaders? May be you don't need to disclose the name, just one word answer.
Those entertaining Leaders from Kerala, Be Warned the Original Achayan is here to spoil the party...
As Mathew , I did not understand that before the teachers in NT time were very poor. Thanks for enlightening the rest of the world about that.
Another question: Did you ever give anything to any of these leaders? May be you don't need to disclose the name, just one word answer.
Those entertaining Leaders from Kerala, Be Warned the Original Achayan is here to spoil the party...
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a. s. mathew (February 28, 2012)
as a young boy, may be 10 years old, one well known pioneering
ministers of the pentecostal movement, pastor astamody oommachen
paid a visit to our home. we were marthomite then. when i watched
that saint of god, even as a young boy, i felt a special inspiration
in life; and i saw a real follower of jesus in him. the pentecostal
churches in india and kerala can hardly locate saints like him
today. probably, we will have to travel to some north indian remote areas to find such saints of god today. if i can find somebody like him, that would have been very
spiritually enriching experience of life. we must apply the
teachings of galations towards such saintly people. if we are
throwing away our hard earned money to bible teachers like kenneth
copeland and other battalion of teachers, then we are misguided
in our giving. please, i am not judging anybody in giving, but simply said
about my personal convicti
as a young boy, may be 10 years old, one well known pioneering
ministers of the pentecostal movement, pastor astamody oommachen
paid a visit to our home. we were marthomite then. when i watched
that saint of god, even as a young boy, i felt a special inspiration
in life; and i saw a real follower of jesus in him. the pentecostal
churches in india and kerala can hardly locate saints like him
today. probably, we will have to travel to some north indian remote areas to find such saints of god today. if i can find somebody like him, that would have been very
spiritually enriching experience of life. we must apply the
teachings of galations towards such saintly people. if we are
throwing away our hard earned money to bible teachers like kenneth
copeland and other battalion of teachers, then we are misguided
in our giving. please, i am not judging anybody in giving, but simply said
about my personal convicti
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a. s. mathew (February 28, 2012)
brother sam thomas: we must honour and obey the word of god.
those who are working for the kingdom of god through hardship and
those who are teaching the word of god must be supported with our
financial blessings. but we must clearly distinguish in between
the religious business people and real servants of god. if i am
am a very wealthy person and expect to get donations from the
ordinary and poor believers for my teaching ministry, that is not biblical. how we define what jesus said to follow him through
self-denial? that was faith life.
what is
written in gal 6:6-7 is applicable strictly based on the financial
conditions of the teacher, and the teachers in those days were extremely poor people. if the teachers have millions of dollars
worth of wealth, never expect any donation from the believers;
which is wordly greed of wealth. in those days, when disciples
followed christ, they left eve
brother sam thomas: we must honour and obey the word of god.
those who are working for the kingdom of god through hardship and
those who are teaching the word of god must be supported with our
financial blessings. but we must clearly distinguish in between
the religious business people and real servants of god. if i am
am a very wealthy person and expect to get donations from the
ordinary and poor believers for my teaching ministry, that is not biblical. how we define what jesus said to follow him through
self-denial? that was faith life.
what is
written in gal 6:6-7 is applicable strictly based on the financial
conditions of the teacher, and the teachers in those days were extremely poor people. if the teachers have millions of dollars
worth of wealth, never expect any donation from the believers;
which is wordly greed of wealth. in those days, when disciples
followed christ, they left eve
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sam thomas (February 27, 2012)
Scripture says:"Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked;for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap"(Gal. 6:6,7).
Scripture says:"Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked;for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap"(Gal. 6:6,7).
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a. s. mathew (February 27, 2012)
ACHAYAN-USA. I do agree with you. It doesn't matter, whatever
denominationa it may be, those Pastors flying to the U.S. to raise
money for elevating their seating positions at the denominational
hierarchy is not a spiritual ministry, but totally a political
agenda of pride and selfishness. What they accomplish spiritually,
either for themselves or for the believers by jumping into higher
positions? The believers can teach them some basic lessons of
humility, if withholding the hand-greasing praise the Lord
donations of green dollar.
ACHAYAN-USA. I do agree with you. It doesn't matter, whatever
denominationa it may be, those Pastors flying to the U.S. to raise
money for elevating their seating positions at the denominational
hierarchy is not a spiritual ministry, but totally a political
agenda of pride and selfishness. What they accomplish spiritually,
either for themselves or for the believers by jumping into higher
positions? The believers can teach them some basic lessons of
humility, if withholding the hand-greasing praise the Lord
donations of green dollar.
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achayan-usa (February 27, 2012)
Attention believers in usa:Please stop giving or entertain any pastors coming to usa those are standing for IPC election this year.Dont be fooled giving money to them so they can use it to get votes.
Attention believers in usa:Please stop giving or entertain any pastors coming to usa those are standing for IPC election this year.Dont be fooled giving money to them so they can use it to get votes.
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disciple of jesus-uganda (February 27, 2012)
Most of the pastors in Malabar likes to have a region but some of these political pastors in ipc state council and Ipc general making problems and causing divisions inside malabar for there own agendas.
Its better to have malabar convention every year so more beleivers from and around malabar can attend it instead of going to kumbanad.
Most of the pastors in Malabar likes to have a region but some of these political pastors in ipc state council and Ipc general making problems and causing divisions inside malabar for there own agendas.
Its better to have malabar convention every year so more beleivers from and around malabar can attend it instead of going to kumbanad.
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pastor (February 27, 2012)
Malabar region is not a new requisition. Pastor in Malabar for a long time knew about it and wanted it. This is a genuine need of the hour. State convention holding in Malabar would not do any good for the development of the region. This can be a place a of publicity for some people, but not in much use for the development as such.
Somebody should focus Malabar. There is nothing wrong with current Malabar Meghala leaders. but if somebody thinks that the problem is them, forget them and get more powerfull leaders with in the region to fous on the Region itself rather than current style of political seeking in Kerala State. The leaders in there are more on politics rather than ministry. Their ministry ends with Marriages, Ordination, Convention Preaching, Area Inauguration, Political Meetings and finally cheetha Vili in Council. We want leaders focused on ministry. This could only be by giving leadership to the ones with vision for Malabar.
Malabar region is not a new requisition. Pastor in Malabar for a long time knew about it and wanted it. This is a genuine need of the hour. State convention holding in Malabar would not do any good for the development of the region. This can be a place a of publicity for some people, but not in much use for the development as such.
Somebody should focus Malabar. There is nothing wrong with current Malabar Meghala leaders. but if somebody thinks that the problem is them, forget them and get more powerfull leaders with in the region to fous on the Region itself rather than current style of political seeking in Kerala State. The leaders in there are more on politics rather than ministry. Their ministry ends with Marriages, Ordination, Convention Preaching, Area Inauguration, Political Meetings and finally cheetha Vili in Council. We want leaders focused on ministry. This could only be by giving leadership to the ones with vision for Malabar.
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ipc member (February 24, 2012)
Please verify before writing the news: On feb 13th malabar megala meeting had about 11 center pastors and 101 pastors atteneded according to my sources..
Please verify before writing the news: On feb 13th malabar megala meeting had about 11 center pastors and 101 pastors atteneded according to my sources..
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ipc guy (February 23, 2012)
Who cares about all these regions that IPC makes. Tomorrow they will make a region for oolan para just to make some people president, secretary etc... This shouldn't be a news item.
Who cares about all these regions that IPC makes. Tomorrow they will make a region for oolan para just to make some people president, secretary etc... This shouldn't be a news item.
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